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Recently in the news there have been stories about Ronald Smith, a Canadian (from my home province, no less!) who has been on death row in Montana for eighteen years because he murdered two men in that state execution-style. He was caught, arrested, tried, convicted. He recently appealed his death sentence and the highest US court denied it.

There's been a lot of flak about this from the Canadian public. People here are complaining how the death penalty is cruel and inhumane, how his sentence should be commuted to life in prison because he's Canadian and Canada doesn't support the death penalty, etc. People called on the Canadian government to step in and "do something", and when Canada didn't, people said it was just as if our government had said, "Sure! Go ahead and kill him."

Setting aside the question of the morality or ethics involved (or not) with the death penalty, here's my take:

If you're stupid enough to go anywhere where laws like the death penalty exist and knowingly commit a crime worthy of that punishment, you deserve what you get. Criminals should not have the privilege of hiding behind their nationality when they break the law somewhere else.

There are countries in the world which still practice death by hanging, stoning, or by firing squad. Whether or not the "civilized" world agrees with these practices, that is the law in those countries. Someone(s) decided that was a justifiable punishment for whatever crime. If you go there and break the law, tough. You are on their turf. Their rules apply, not the ones from where you live. This is little different than when a guest comes to your house. You rightly expect the guest to abide by your rules regardless of what the rules are and regardless of what the guest thinks, because they are your rules, and it is your house. Why should a guest in another country be treated any differently?

Why should a criminal who takes the lives of other human beings have more rights and receive preferential treatment than the victims' families? If Ronald Smith had been living in Montana, he still would have received the death penalty for his crime.

Likewise, people are complaining now about how Canada's youngest multiple murderer got the maximum sentence of ten years. She was twelve when she killed her family. People say this is too harsh and her sentence should be reduced. Yah, really? She killed her whole family. If she'd been an adult, she could have gotten twenty-five to life.

As far as I'm concerned, the moment you commit a heinous crime like Ronald Smith's, you give up your right to have rights. If you choose to go on a killing spree instead of hanging out at the arcade, your age shouldn't protect you either.

Easiest way to avoid the death penalty (or any other penalty)? Stay home and obey the law.

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ranakanth From: [info]ranakanth Date: November 10th, 2007 05:35 am (UTC) (Perma Link)
While I don't personally agree with the death penalty, I agree that if you're stupid enough to go down to the states, and commit murder, tough luck. You knew what you were doing. You knew the penalty. You pay the price.

It's one thing to be a citizen of a particular country with a death-penalty and object on whatever grounds you like. Then there's less "choice" involved on the part of the perpetrator... But to knowingly go in to a country with the death penalty and whine about how unfair it is? Regardless of the fact the guy's a murderer, that argument is just idiotic.

I also hate these so-called "human rights" wank-tards who feel that murderers, rapists, burglars, etc, deserve more "rights" than their victims. Of course, that's not how they phrase it, but that's how it ends up in the legal system (note I said legal system... I refute the term "justice" system in this modern age of farcical litigiousness). It really pisses me off.

Should we go back to corporal punishment and the death penalty? In my opinion, no. But some law-making authority needs to resurrect the spirit of the law, in favor of literally interpreting the supposed word of the law, as skewed by any given legal team's court-room shenanigans.

And while we're on the topic of crime & punishment, when the hell did we (as a society) forget that adage about "idle hands are the devil's playground"? I'm not Christian, but it's one of those fundamental truths. If we have a bunch of people in prison essentially sitting on their duffs and doing nothing but rotting behind bars, WELL, GEE ROCKEY, I WONDER WHY THEY HAVE RIOTS AND PRISON VIOLENCE??? Maybe, just maybe, it's because they have nothing better to do?

And further to that thought, perhaps if prisoners were given these crazy "job" things that result in them getting rewards for being *gasp* productive (thus making it easier to re-integrate low-risk offenders back into society because they have that positive feedback loop) we'd, y'know, possibly have less repeat crime?

But hey, what do I know?
seraphkre From: [info]seraphkre Date: November 11th, 2007 12:19 am (UTC) (Perma Link)
While I tend to agree that the death penalty is heinous as a punishment, and is following the extraordinarily old law of "an eye for an eye" (haven't we - in the U.S. - matured enough to get past that, yet? ...apparently not), I have to agree with you 100%. You do the crime, you do the time according to the laws of THAT country. Were someone to go up to Canada from here and murder a couple of people, I don't think you'd hear anyone in the U.S. crying about how he ISN'T getting the death penalty (well, there's always a few). Cuz, c'mon - the crime was committed on Canadian soil, to Canadian citizens. Deportation? Maybe - I certainly wouldn't blame Canada for wanting him outta there. But IMHO, he should get the punishment that has been established for the level of crime. Humane, moral, or otherwise, if you're gonna break the law, you're gonna get punished. Plain and simple.

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